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Old 10-19-2008, 17:03
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Default Carbon fibre frame

Since Cagiva had a prototype in GP500, we have not seen anyone try a full carbon-fibre chassis in racing.
The Cagiva C590 as it was called, was raced at the 1990 Czechoslovakian and following Hungarian Motorcycle Grand Prix GP but was then shelved due to "not desired results".
(feedback from that frame was very different from the previous one they used)

Apart from GP there was of course the mighty Britten V1000 that had a carbon frame, or, it didn´t have much of a frame at all but what was there was made from carbon.
The wheels and almost every part possible to make from carbon was just that.
That frame work perfectly, as did the whole bike.

But now we have a change, the Ducati 2009 MotoGP prototype, the GP9, has a composite frame.
Not only is this an exiting step in frame technology, but also remarkable since Ducati apart from using V twins in almost every model ever, steel trellis frames just IS Ducati.

The bike has been tested and show promising results, lets hope the frame is still there next year.

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Words from the team:
CASEY STONER (Ducati MotoGP Team)
Best lap on race tyres - 1'42.632; on qualifiers - 1'41.533

"I'm happy with the way today has gone. The objective was to understand whether this new chassis concept has potential and I'd say that for now it looks to be the case. We were quickly into some decent times using the same set-up as the GP8. We barely changed anything to adapt it to the characteristics of the GP9 and I immediately felt an improvement so that is positive. I'm sure that with more time to work on it we can go much faster, although that is not the current brief. We'll have time to test it in the winter. Tomorrow we'll get back on my GP8 because we have some important tyre testing to do. There is still a lot of the 2008 season left and we want to be competitive."

FILIPPO PREZIOSI General Manager Ducati Corse

"We took the decision to allow the factory riders to test the GP9 because it would have been more difficult at a later stage of development and eventually we'd have had to go backwards in certain areas. There are some things that are possible to analyse with data such as in the engine or the cycle part but other areas where it is absolutely essential to have the riders' opinions. So it was important to get their feedback to understand if the choices we've made have been the right ones and to get their suggestions. Some changes we've made to the cycle part could seem more revolutionary than others but in reality we continue to evolve the initial concept that we designed with the GP3. So it's not a change in the direction of development, but another step forward in the same direction. With the 990 the seat supports and the footpegs were attached to the frame. With the 800 they are both completely separate and on the GP9 the front part is even more dedicated to support and the dimensions become more limited. The fact we've used carbon fibre in the production of the chassis is not the most relevant point, it is more the shape that is different from before. Casey's first impressions have been positive. Tomorrow Marco will try it and I hope his feeling with the new bike is better than with the current one."
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Old 10-19-2008, 19:34
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And I almost made the fatal mistake to not talk about the most exiting bike today, that has a carbon fibre frame.
The MotoCzysz C1
It has not only a carbon frame, but also a carbon swing arm.
And many other outsidethebox solutions.


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This bike is by my reckoning the most innovative thing since the Britten V1000.
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Old 10-19-2008, 22:52
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do you know when they changed it from aluminium to carbon ?. i know i saw a program about the bike a year ago. and then it was in aluminium..

really cool that there actually are people out there who are pushing limits and are thinking a little bit different.

would be cool to have him writing a little bit about the bike here .
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Old 10-20-2008, 15:49
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do you know when they changed it from aluminium to carbon ?. i know i saw a program about the bike a year ago. and then it was in aluminium..

really cool that there actually are people out there who are pushing limits and are thinking a little bit different.

would be cool to have him writing a little bit about the bike here .
From what i recall the Motozcysz never had a alu frame, have to look that up.

Here is another example tried in GP, the 1985 Suzuki XR70RV RG500

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hmm.. it maybe that i remebered a little bit wrong. i think you are right when why say the frame have never been aluminium..

but the swingarm was made from aluminium on at least the first prototype if my memory doesn't fail me. i know they had a little bit of problems just before the premier of the bike with the swingarm wich had a large crack in it.

but it is really interesting to see that they have steped away from that and are using a carbonfiber swingarm.
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Ducati had their pressrealease of the GP9 today.

One more pic of the frame.
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It cool to see Ducati Corsa going with the carbon frame. It will be very interesting to see what happens in the first high speed crash to it.

Have you guys seen Alex Ortner's "1036CS" race bike. It has Carbon Fiber Carbo Tech frame from Karl Wagner Carbo Tech Composites in Salzburg, Austria, Corsa magnesium swingarm and BST Carbon Fiber wheels.
http://www.duccutters.com/AlexOrtner-1036CS.tpl
http://www.carbon.at/

A stock 996 weighs around 220 kilograms (485 lbs) ready to roll. The 1036CS weighs 155 kilograms (342 lbs) wet, with no gas. Can you imagine this 150 horsepower bike weighs 10 kilos (22 lbs) less than a World Superbike racer, and is street legal?

I hear that Karl Wagner Carbo Tech Composites was making the Desmo GP9 frames for Ducati, but I haven't be able to confirm that from anyone at Ducati...
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I found another image of the GP9 Duc
It seems that the frame is more or less the engine.
The carbon frame connects the steering head to the engine and the rear-arm is attached to the engine, and the rear-frame is also bolted to the engine.
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Thumbs up THE DESMOSEDICI GP9 MONOCOQUE CARBON FIBRE FRAME

Here's a update press release from Ducati from Tuesday April 14 2009

THE DESMOSEDICI GP9 MONOCOQUE CARBON FIBRE FRAME
http://blog.ducati.com/post/241/il-t...edici-gp9#more
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Here's a update press release from Ducati from Tuesday April 14 2009

THE DESMOSEDICI GP9 MONOCOQUE CARBON FIBRE FRAME
http://blog.ducati.com/post/241/il-t...edici-gp9#more
Somewhat the same is found here in english, larger pics also.
http://www.motogpmatters.com/news/20..._fiber_fr.html
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